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    The Doctor

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    Official ABC Recap & Pre Air info:


    With her mother, Cora, banished to another land and the spell book now in her hands (see Episode 202 – “We Are Both”), Regina has begun studying magic under Rumplestiltskin. The latest lesson is taking out a victim’s heart so that you can control their will. But as Rumplestiltskin instructs Regina to tear out a horse’s heart and crush it, she can’t bring herself to do it. She can’t help but remember how her mother tore out her lover, Daniel’s, heart and killed him in the same way. She can’t bear to use magic for evil the way her mother did. Rumplestiltskin feels like his time is being wasted, but Regina is eager to continue her training so that she can bring Daniel back from the dead. When she begs Rumple for more lessons, she crosses paths with Jefferson, a portal jumper who might know someone who can do exactly what she’s looking for.

    Word has begun to spread around town that the other worlds weren’t actually destroyed by The Dark Curse. Someone who’s particularly interested is Dr. Whale, who bursts into Regina’s therapy session with Dr. Hopper and demands she send him back. She says she couldn’t even if she wanted to, but clearly that’s not good enough for the doctor. After therapy, Regina thinks she sees none other than her beloved Daniel staring at her on a street corner. Dazed, she looks for Dr. Whale in the hospital and finds him there, his arm torn off, moaning about unleashing a monster. Did he really bring Daniel back from the dead in Storybrooke?

    In Fairy Tale Land, Jefferson takes Regina to meet a man from another land, a doctor, who we recognize as Dr. Whale. He claims to be able to revive the dead, but he needs an enchanted heart, like one plucked from a person’s chest the way Rumplestiltskin showed Regina how to do, to complete his operation. Regina takes the doctor and Jefferson to her mother’s vault which is full of throbbing, enchanted hearts stolen from poor souls all over the land. They choose one and the doctor sets to work. Regina had used a spell to preserve Daniel’s body and thing appear to be going well. Lightning strikes the doctor’s tent, but he soon emerges, sadly admitting that he failed. Regina, heartbroken, returns to Rumplestiltskin and eagerly plucks the heart from another student’s chest, crushing it. She’s ready for her next lesson.

    Sometime later, we see Rumplestiltskin meeting with the doctor and Jefferson to conclude their business. The whole thing was a ruse to get Regina beyond her heartbreak so that she could continue her training. The doctor leaves for his world with an enchanted heart as payment, convinced his science is superior to magic and that his process for reviving the dead will indeed work to bring his brother back to life.

    Regina discovers that Dr. Whale had stolen a heart from her own vault and used it to bring Daniel back to life, but Daniel seems to be insane and incredibly strong. Being a stable boy, he goes to the Storybrooke stables where Henry is meeting his new horse. David and Regina race there to find the boy being attacked. David wants to put Daniel down again, but Regina insists that her once-dead fiancé will listen to her. At first he tries to strangle her, but slowly the real Daniel emerges, only to confess that he is in terrible pain and to beg that Regina let him go. Tearfully, she does, using magic to disintegrate him. For the second time, she has lost the love of her life.

    In present day Fairy Tale Land, Emma, Mary Margaret, Mulan and Aurora return to the island encampment to find that it’s been attacked by Cora. They find a lone survivor, none other than Captain Killian Jones aka Hook. Immediately Emma is suspicious and ties him to a tree. She whistles to summon some ogres and suggest he tell the truth if he wants to live. He is left with no choice but to reveal the ruse, that Cora wanted him to get close to them so he could find out more about Storybrooke. He offers to help them get there the same way he planned to help Cora, so long as he gets revenge on Rumplestiltskin. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of objections from any of the four Princesses.

    Then we flash not to Fairy Tale Land, but to another world, where the doctor and his assistant work in a gloomy castle laboratory. As the doctor places the enchanted heart into the body on the table before him, lightning strikes and the creature’s stitched-together hand begins to move. It’s alive! And we realize this is Dr. Victor Frankenstein who will somehow be transported to Storybrooke as Dr. Whale! And in Storybrooke, Dr. Whale drags his severed arm to Mr. Gold’s pawnshop for help. The price, this time, is relatively cheap. Rumplestiltskin merely asks that he admit he needs magic. When the doctor does, his arm magically grows back. It seems the rivalry between science and magic isn’t quite done yet.

    Pre-Air Info:





    ***above photos courtesy of ABC Publicity and shared by Spoiler TV

    Per Matt Mitovich/TV Line: "It's probably about who Doctor Whale really is"

    ***thx to 'oncenews'
    OFFICIAL ABC PRESS RELEASE:

    REGINA BELIEVES SHE’S SEEN A GHOST FROM HER PAST IN STORYBROOKE, MARY MARGARET AND EMMA BECOME SUSPICIOUS OF A LONE SURVIVOR FROM AN OGRE MASSACRE, AND REGINA FINDS HERSELF FAILING AT LEARING THE DARK ARTS FROM A DARK MASTER, ON ABC’S “ONCE UPON A TIME”

    “The Doctor” – While Regina continues to try and stop using her magic in an attempt to win back Henry’s affections, she begins seeing what she believes is a ghost from her past; and when Mary Margaret and Emma discover a lone survivor from an ogre massacre, Emma begins to question whether or not he’s telling the truth. Meanwhile, in the fairytale land that was, Regina finds herself failing at learning the dark arts from a dark master because something from her past is preventing her from using her magic for evil, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, OCTOBER 28 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

    “Once Upon a Time” stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as
Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills, Meghan Ory as Red Riding Hood/Ruby, and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.

    Guest starring are Raphael Sbarge as Archie Hopper/Jiminy Cricket, David Anders as Dr. Whale, Colin O’Donoghue as Killian Jones/Hook, Sarah Bolger as Aurora, Jamie Chung as Mulan, Noah Bean as man, Sebastian Stan as Jefferson, Yurij Kis as assistant and Paula Giroday as Trish.

    ”The Doctor” was written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz and directed by Paul Edwards.




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    Regina Learns Magic...



    Regina and her true Love...






    The official ABC secrets page for this episode can be found here:
    The Doctor Secrets Page

    Portal jumpers, am I right? Nothing but trouble, those guys. Jefferson shows up at Rumplestiltskin's workshop with a crystal ball and gives him some information about magic slippers that can transport someone between magical and non-magical worlds. Both of those items can be found in L. Frank Baum's The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. That's the second Oz reference this season. Think we'll get to visit sometime soon?

    Keeping it literary, when Emma is interrogating Captain Hook, she says "So much for fortune favoring the brave,". That's a reference to the Latin “AVDENTES FORTVNA IVVAT”, allegedly the last word of Pliny the Elder as he left the docks at Pompeii to rescue people from the eruption of Vesuvius in 79, quoted in Virgil’s Aeneid.


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    Post on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:03 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    Can we learn about PC while we're at it? It's killing me! Yeah I'm just going to start the Dr. Frank victory dance now. WOOT! Who else said Frank? I don't think I was the only one but gosh darn I'm excited.
    cheers
    P.S. The Mohawk dude is the Gingerbread Man. The hair got bitten off.
    (Hey listen, they made me doubt with their little "6 in 10k" lie but I figured that out and returned to my guess). I can make fun of myself for that little gaffe, no worries!
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    Post on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:30 am by Ranna156

    yes finally...we will find out all about Dr. Whale!

    and maybbe that is him but then he did something weird with that hair!
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    Post on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:20 am by Shekinel

    I guess this sunday we'll see whatever happened to his hair! Still think he is Dr.Whale.
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    Post on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:10 am by Ranna156

    Shekinel wrote:I think that guy is Dr.Whale, and i don't think thats a mo hawk, I thin they were jumping or just arrived via the hat and his hair is up!! You know when you jump and you go down your hair is up because of the air and he has enough hair for that to happen xD. And the outfit. My opinion

    i don't know...that doesn't look to me like his hair is up...it looks like he is missing quite a bit of hair along the sides...haha

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    Post on Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:20 am by Shekinel

    I think that guy is Dr.Whale, and i don't think thats a mo hawk, I thin they were jumping or just arrived via the hat and his hair is up!! You know when you jump and you go down your hair is up because of the air and he has enough hair for that to happen xD. And the outfit. My opinion
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    Post on Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:56 am by Ranna156

    Ranna156 wrote:lol...maybe they are running from Daniel - aka the Frankenstein monster!!!!

    Has it been confirmed that the guy with a mowhawk is Whale?

    haha...looks like Daniel REALLY is the monster...! I had to go find an old post of mine and quote it...glad I at least got that part right...now if they could just throw in a little Hyde...haha

    also WHO is that guy with the mo-hawk like hairdo! That doesn't look like Whale to me from the shots we saw of him in the promo...
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    Post on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:47 pm by Ranna156

    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:I'm not going to start my victory dance yet but I am excited. Oh and Rhi, it's not Frank/JH. It's Frank/Gingerbread - DUH!!!!!

    lol!


    BWHAHAHA that was all YOU! haha G-girl!
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    Post on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:43 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    I'm not going to start my victory dance yet but I am excited. Oh and Rhi, it's not Frank/JH. It's Frank/Gingerbread - DUH!!!!!

    lol!
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    Post on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:30 pm by Ranna156

    eclectic1 wrote:I knew it!!!!...those hearts...!!!!!!!

    They dont actually come out and say Dr Whale is Dr Frankenstein...but, it's definitely looking like it!

    How the heck does Jeff know him!!!???!!! Shady past, indeed!!! Cool

    Gonna LOVE next week's episode as well!!!! I love you I love you I love you


    OMG - still holding on to there is a little Hyde in him! haha...i just want that combo!
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    Post on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:22 pm by eclectic1

    I knew it!!!!...those hearts...!!!!!!!

    They dont actually come out and say Dr Whale is Dr Frankenstein...but, it's definitely looking like it!

    How the heck does Jeff know him!!!???!!! Shady past, indeed!!! Cool

    Gonna LOVE next week's episode as well!!!! I love you I love you I love you
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    Post on Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:16 pm by wendydarling76

    eclectic1 wrote:
    Interesting observation came up on the OUAT Podcast blog...think worth mentioning here. I rewatched the part of the episode in question...and what is stated IS TRUE!!! Cool

    "Did magic cause all of the hearts in Regina's vault to beat again?" Shocked

    Did anyone catch the fact you could HEAR the hearts beating as Henry passed the vault of hearts? ...and, not just one either!!! NUMEROUS!!!

    Who do they belong to and was the vault initially Cora's...inherited by Regina? Assume "yes" to this question.

    Before the curse was 'broke' and magic was released...you never HEARD the hearts beating when someone was in the vault area. The one time I recall is when Regina retrieves Graham's heart OUT OF the drawer it was in. Before she crushed it...it was beating!

    Henry doesnt really acknowledge hearing them, per say...but, we-the audience-DO hear them!

    By design???!!!???
    I posted this under the "Lady of the Lake" post...as what I wanted to add was 'spoilery' and involves this episode, reposting it here!

    We see Regina going down the vault stairs w/Jefferson and, I think, Dr Whale...in that one promo screen shot(if this is in FTL-we'll have to see and listen if hearts ARE beating).
    We DO have evidence of 'beating hearts' in this vault(in SB)...could she be getting one for our "Dr Fankenstein" to use to bring Daniel back? (Tent-lightning strike-person on operating table!)


    Dont know how I missed the hearts beating...wow!

    I didn't think anything about it when the episode aired but now that you mention it that is interesting!!
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    Post on Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:01 pm by eclectic1

    Interesting observation came up on the OUAT Podcast blog...think worth mentioning here. I rewatched the part of the episode in question...and what is stated IS TRUE!!! Cool

    "Did magic cause all of the hearts in Regina's vault to beat again?" Shocked

    Did anyone catch the fact you could HEAR the hearts beating as Henry passed the vault of hearts? ...and, not just one either!!! NUMEROUS!!!

    Who do they belong to and was the vault initially Cora's...inherited by Regina? Assume "yes" to this question.

    Before the curse was 'broke' and magic was released...you never HEARD the hearts beating when someone was in the vault area. The one time I recall is when Regina retrieves Graham's heart OUT OF the drawer it was in. Before she crushed it...it was beating!

    Henry doesnt really acknowledge hearing them, per say...but, we-the audience-DO hear them!

    By design???!!!???
    I posted this under the "Lady of the Lake" post...as what I wanted to add was 'spoilery' and involves this episode, reposting it here!

    We see Regina going down the vault stairs w/Jefferson and, I think, Dr Whale...in that one promo screen shot(if this is in FTL-we'll have to see and listen if hearts ARE beating).
    We DO have evidence of 'beating hearts' in this vault(in SB)...could she be getting one for our "Dr Fankenstein" to use to bring Daniel back? (Tent-lightning strike-person on operating table!)


    Dont know how I missed the hearts beating...wow!
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    Post on Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:52 pm by Shekinel

    eclectic1 wrote:
    Shekinel wrote:And orb of light that can maybe be used as a heart or bring back life...like...IronMan? xD

    Very Happy Like I said, Shek...wouldnt put it past these writers!!!

    I dont know anyone other than Daniel Regina would want to bring back TO life...at least, not up to this point! Cool

    I totally agree with you!! Just that the orb thing reminds me Ironman! Even when i saw it the photos!! Maybe it is some kinda energy source too for a machine or something.
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    Post on Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:36 pm by Ranna156

    eclectic1 wrote:
    Shekinel wrote:And orb of light that can maybe be used as a heart or bring back life...like...IronMan? xD

    Very Happy Like I said, Shek...wouldnt put it past these writers!!!

    I dont know anyone other than Daniel Regina would want to bring back TO life...at least, not up to this point! Cool

    agree and agree...or more unfortunate maybe they kill someone or use the heart of encased in that orb of someone who recently died and that is 'where' the whole MONSTER thing comes from...

    based on the stills and other shots...at some point they are running from something and Jeffeson looks like he is screamine in that one green screen shot!
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    Post on Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:30 pm by eclectic1

    Shekinel wrote:And orb of light that can maybe be used as a heart or bring back life...like...IronMan? xD

    Very Happy Like I said, Shek...wouldnt put it past these writers!!!

    I dont know anyone other than Daniel Regina would want to bring back TO life...at least, not up to this point! Cool
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    Post on Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:20 pm by Shekinel

    And orb of light that can maybe be used as a heart or bring back life...like...IronMan? xD
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    Post on Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:54 pm by Ranna156

    wendydarling76 wrote:

    This is my first time to reply to anything on these boards so I hope I am doing it right! Didn't Cora crush his heart in that episode in season 1 like Regina crushed Graham's??

    looks like you are doing it right to me! Let us know if you have any questions...also the members forum is a great place to 'practice' or test something out if you jsut want to goof around and try things!
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    Post on Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:52 pm by Ranna156

    eclectic1 wrote:

    Just my random thoughts now...

    Also...Rump DID know of Jefferson based on these behind the scenes candids...why wasnt this made note of last year? Unless...Jeff laying low in SB...Rump didnt think he was 'brought forward' with the curse.

    I truly cant wait for this episode!!! So much so, I took off the next day as I KNOW it will be a late night!!! lol!

    I never necessarily thought they didn't know each other...also we STILL don't know where he originally got that hat...Rump has said he isn't into portal jumping...however he does at least educate himself and I would be more surprised if he didn't know about Jefferson and his hat than if did. I just don't think the storyline really needed to show a connection between him and Rumple yet...

    haha that is so funny you are taking the day off! hmmm i wish i could take every monday off!
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    Post on Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:11 pm by eclectic1

    wendydarling76 wrote:
    This is my first time to reply to anything on these boards so I hope I am doing it right! Didn't Cora crush his heart in that episode in season 1 like Regina crushed Graham's??

    THANKS for responding! guess i may have to re-watch the 'Stable Boy' again! Wink

    I know Cora grabbed and pulled Daniel's heart out-didnt think she crushed it... yes...she DID crush itI KNOW Regina crushed Grahams... Crying or Very sad Good catch on my bad, wendydarling!

    That makes this orb even more interesting as to what it could magically be used for! I have to think the body on the table is still Daniel's...but, ok, does this magical orb substitute for a heart? Cool

    This sounds so "sci-fy"...but, I do NOT put anything past these writers!!! lol!

    ...especially if Dr Whale is Dr Frankenstein!!!
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    Post on Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:41 pm by LZenOUT

    wendydarling76 wrote:This is my first time to reply to anything on these boards so I hope I am doing it right! Didn't Cora crush his heart in that episode in season 1 like Regina crushed Graham's??
    Glad to see you jumping in there, wendydarling76. Smile And yes, I do believe that Cora crushed Graham's heart to little flecks of dust in The Stable Boy episode.
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    Post on Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:56 pm by wendydarling76

    eclectic1 wrote:The more that comes out on this episode...the more interesting and amazing it really could turn out being!!! Shocked Cool

    We now see pictures of Jeff with Rump...my guess this "crystal orb" may have the power to bring back life. Thinking he's procuring it for Regina...to help revive Daniel????

    Regina sent Cora 'through the looking glass' mirror-we know she isnt around...BUT, who's to say she didnt keep Daniel's heart in that vault that now Regina has control over??? That photo of Regina going down the steps to the vault area with Jefferson and, I believe, Dr Whales 'true self' confirms her knowledge of it-even though she's fairly new to the world of magic.

    That tent shot-with lightning striking the metal conductor at the top-now we know Jeff and Regina are the onlookers you can barely make out(to the left in the shot).

    I think Dr Whale's 'true self' is IN that tent and the body of Daniel is on the "operating table"! Is he trying to bring Daniel back???!!!??? Noah Bean is credited for this episode as "the man"???...we KNOW he played Daniel...hmmmmm Cool

    Not too much of a coincidence that there was a "heart" picture on Daniel's gravemarker in "Apple Red As Blood"....

    Just my random thoughts now...

    Also...Rump DID know of Jefferson based on these behind the scenes candids...why wasnt this made note of last year? Unless...Jeff laying low in SB...Rump didnt think he was 'brought forward' with the curse.

    I truly cant wait for this episode!!! So much so, I took off the next day as I KNOW it will be a late night!!! lol!



    This is my first time to reply to anything on these boards so I hope I am doing it right! Didn't Cora crush his heart in that episode in season 1 like Regina crushed Graham's??
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    Post on Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:17 pm by eclectic1

    The more that comes out on this episode...the more interesting and amazing it really could turn out being!!! Shocked Cool

    We now see pictures of Jeff with Rump...my guess this "crystal orb" may have the power to bring back life. Thinking he's procuring it for Regina...to help revive Daniel????

    Regina sent Cora 'through the looking glass' mirror-we know she isnt around...BUT, who's to say she didnt keep Daniel's heart in that vault that now Regina has control over??? That photo of Regina going down the steps to the vault area with Jefferson and, I believe, Dr Whales 'true self' confirms her knowledge of it-even though she's fairly new to the world of magic.

    That tent shot-with lightning striking the metal conductor at the top-now we know Jeff and Regina are the onlookers you can barely make out(to the left in the shot).

    I think Dr Whale's 'true self' is IN that tent and the body of Daniel is on the "operating table"! Is he trying to bring Daniel back???!!!??? Noah Bean is credited for this episode as "the man"???...we KNOW he played Daniel...hmmmmm Cool

    Not too much of a coincidence that there was a "heart" picture on Daniel's gravemarker in "Apple Red As Blood"....

    Just my random thoughts now...

    Also...Rump DID know of Jefferson based on these behind the scenes candids...why wasnt this made note of last year? Unless...Jeff laying low in SB...Rump didnt think he was 'brought forward' with the curse.

    I truly cant wait for this episode!!! So much so, I took off the next day as I KNOW it will be a late night!!! lol!
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    Post on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:19 pm by Ranna156

    LZenOUT wrote:
    eclectic1 wrote:
    Ranna156 wrote:Do we even know anything about the assistant? Other than the actor who plays him?

    Spoiler:
    I think you might be getting confused with the other assistant with Rump...The Dove...but maybe...i can't remember who they cast to play the Dove but that storyline was cut i believe...

    Ranna...you do know this is the 'spoiler area'... Wink Smile

    (couldnt resist!) Wink
    LMAO

    laugh it up hookers!

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    Post on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:13 pm by cuddlyasatiger

    Which reminds me I never did his bio


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    Post on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:12 pm by cuddlyasatiger

    John DeSantis plays "the Dove" (Rump's associate in Skin Deep). Yurij Kis is cast as "The Assistant". But they do look an awful lot alike.

    And yes eclectic I think it's the same person running through the woods as is going down the stairs. Smile Just trying to give another option to Whale.

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