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    The Miller's Daughter

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    Official ABC Recap & Pre Air info:



    Our tale begins in Fairy Tale Land many years ago, as a young woman approaches her simple home to find her drunken father napping on his sacks of flour. She chides him for his laziness and takes the flour to market herself. There, a smug and mean-spirited young Princess trips her, sending her sprawling on the ground and costing her several bags of flour. To make matters worse, the King himself shames The miller’s daughter, who we learn is Cora, forcing her to apologize to Princess Eva—the young lady who will one day become Queen and Snow White’s mother. Cora reluctantly does so, but seethes with rage at the injustice done to her.

    In Storybrooke, The Jolly Roger arrives with the injured Mr. Gold aboard. Cora and Regina have his dagger, but they dare not use it now out of concern that forcing him to kill Emma, Mary Margaret, David and anyone else that stood in their way would hasten his death and the powers of The Dark One would be lost forever. Instead, Cora decides that she has no choice but to kill Rumple with his own dagger first and become the new Dark One herself. Regina seems to begin suspecting that getting Henry back isn’t really what Cora’s after.


    Meanwhile, the heroes of Storybrooke hide Mr. Gold in his pawn shop and use whatever magical tricks he has up his sleeves to barricade themselves in. Emma uses some invisible chalk and even gets a crash course from Gold on casting a magical protection spell. As everyone heads to the front of the shop, Gold asks Mary Margaret for a warmer blanket, pointing her to an old wardrobe. Inside, she doesn’t find any blankets, but she does find a familiar magic candle—the one she was given as a young girl in episode 215, “The Queen is Dead”! The candle has the power to save a life in exchange for taking another. In this case, she could light the candle and whisper Cora’s name over her heart. Then she’d have to get Cora’s heart back into her body to transfer Mr. Gold’s mortal wound to Cora. Since she refused to use the candle to save her own mother, Mary Margaret’s not really interested in using it to save Mr. Gold. Her plan is to get Cora’s heart and use it to take control of her. With that, she could force Cora to do the right thing, but, as Gold points out, then she’d be letting Henry’s grandfather die.

    In Fairy Tale Land, Cora steals a nice dress and crashes a masquerade ball being thrown as a means of introducing Prince Henry to wealthy young women whom he could marry to increase the kingdom’s fortunes. The ruse doesn’t last long before the King catches on to Cora. He again insults her and this time she claims she can spin straw into gold. He challenges her to prove it. She is to spend a night loked in a tower full of straw with a spinning wheel. By morning she will either have proven her outrageous claim or be executed. Needless to say, Cora is in way over her head when suddenly Rumplestiltskin appears. He has seen the future thanks to the powers he gained in episode 214, “Manhattan” and he knows he’ll need Regina to get his Dark Curse cast. He offers Cora a deal—he’ll spin all of the straw into gold in exchange for her first-born child. Cora accepts the deal, but only on the condition that he teach her how to spin straw into gold herself. He does, and the two grow very close in the process. By morning, she is spinning straw into gold as promised and wins the hand of Prince Henry.

    The day of Cora and Prince Henry’s wedding approaches, but she has clearly been seeing Rumplestiltskin on the side. As they meet for what may be the final time before she is married, they decide that perhaps they should run away together. Rumplestiltskin is so taken with Cora, he even amends their deal so that Cora promises to give him HIS child. Cora only has one more thing to do. She wants revenge on the King for humiliating her. She wants to rip out his heart and show it to him before he dies. Coincidentally, Rumplestiltskin is great at that. He teaches her everything she needs to know about ripping out hearts and they plan to meet outside the castle walls that night after she’s done the deed.

    Cora visits the King in his chambers, where the cold and pragmatic ruler lays out the facts plainly. He knows she’s been seeing Rumplestiltskin and he knows she has to decide whether to run away with him for the sake of love or to stay and rule a Princess by marrying his son—who he himself doesn’t even seem too fond of. Presented so clearly as a choice between love and power, Cora makes her decision. That night, she meets Rumplestiltskin and dispassionately tells him that she is going to stay and marry Prince Henry, rather than go with him. He asks what happened and whose heart she now carries in a box. The heart is her own, which she removed herself, to keep herself from choosing love over power. Rumple is hurt and outraged and reminds Cora of their deal. But Cora reminds him that he amended the deal and she would never have a child with him.

    In Storybrooke, Regina and Cora burst through the magical barrier protecting Mr. Gold’s shop. After a quick tussle, Mary Margaret slips out of a side door to find Cora’s heart. David is magically thrown out of the shop and, while Neal and Emma hold their own as best they can against two sorceresses, they wind up backing into the store room with the dying Mr. Gold and sealing it up with more magic. As Cora prepares to break through, she realizes something’s amiss with her heart and sends Regina off to protect it.

    As Cora hammers the magical barrier, Mr. Gold begins to realize the end is near. He calls Belle, who’s still in the hospital with no memory of her true self, and tells her he knows who she is. He finds words of such love and tenderness for her, it’s almost impossible to believe that they’re coming from The Dark One. Neal and Emma overhear everything and Neal is shocked to hear his father’s dying words to a woman he loves. While it’s not a complete reconciliation, father and son come together in what may be the few moments they have left together.

    Meanwhile, in Regina’s hidden chambers beneath her family mausoleum, Mary Margaret finds Cora’s heart. She ponders for a moment, but then does the unthinkable, lighting the candle and whispering Cora’s name over her heart. After the deed is done, Regina finds her there, holding the box with her mother’s heart. But Mary Margaret tricks Regina, telling her that putting her mother’s heart back in her chest will be the only way for Cora to truly love Regina and for them to really start a family that Henry may one day be able to be a part of.

    Back in the store room, Cora finally bursts through. She quickly banishes Emma and Neal to the woods outside of town and stands ready to finish off Mr. Gold. She sits with him for a moment, admitting that she did truly love him once, and that was why she had to take her own heart out. Just as Cora’s about to plunge the dagger into Gold, she shudders as her heart is jammed back into her body. She turns to see Regina there and finally looks on her with love in her eyes.

    Overwhelmed with love for her daughter, Cora smiles and laughs uncontrollably. Regina seems truly happy for just a moment until suddenly Cora shudders again and collapses. Mr. Gold looks to his chest where his wound is now gone and realizes what’s happened. As Regina cradles her dying mother in her arms, Cora realizes that the love of her daughter would have been enough—that all of the power she’d sought to possess was meaningless in comparison. But just as that truly dawns on her, she dies.

    Too late, Mary Margaret rushes in screaming for Regina not to put Cora’s heart back. Regina realizes what’s happened and looks up and her old enemy with fury in her eyes. The Evil Queen wants revenge against Snow White now more than ever!



    Pre-Air Info:






    ABC Press Release

    CORA'S DESIRE TO TAKE RUMPLESTILTSKIN'S PLACE AS THE DARK ONE TAKES ONE STEP CLOSER TO BECOMING REALITY AS HE LAYS DYING, AND MARY MARGARET IS ONCE AGAIN TEMPTED BY DARK MAGIC, ON ABC'S "ONCE UPON A TIME"

    Rose McGowan ("Charmed") Guest Stars as Younger Cora

    "The Miller's Daughter" - Cora's desire to rid herself of Rumplestiltskin in order to take his place as The Dark One takes one step closer to becoming reality as she and Regina try to overpower a dying Mr. Gold, and Mary Margaret is once again tempted by dark magic. Meanwhile, in the fairytale land that was, Rumplestiltskin agrees to offer his services to a younger Cora - for a price - when the king calls her bluff and orders her to actually follow through on her boast of being able to spin straw into gold, on "Once Upon a Time," SUNDAY, MARCH 10 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

    "Once Upon a Time" stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Colin O'Donoghue as Hook, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills, Meghan Ory as Red Riding Hood/Ruby, and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.

    Guest starring are Barbara Hershey as Cora, Michael Raymond-James as Neal Cassidy, Rose McGowan as younger Cora, Gerry Rousseau as father, Joaquim de Almeida as King Xavier, Eva Allan as Princess Eva, Zak Santiago as Prince Henry and Sonequa Martin-Green as Tamara.

    "The Miller's Daughter" was written by Jane Espenson and directed by Ralph Hemecker.


    King Xavier will appear in this episode...also, young Prince Henry(Regina's Father).

    Rose McGowan in this episode as young Cora.

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    Post on Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:54 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    LZenOUT wrote:
    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:Regina is (supposedly) Henry's daughter. If Henry and Leopold are brothers then when Reg marries Leopold she marries her uncle. You'd think Henry would pipe up and say something at the proposal.
    Royals back when these stories were being told often married their close relatives. That's why so many were bonkers.

    True, and ick.

    It's not that uncommon now come to think of it - and I still say ick.
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    Post on Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:37 pm by LZenOUT

    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:Regina is (supposedly) Henry's daughter. If Henry and Leopold are brothers then when Reg marries Leopold she marries her uncle. You'd think Henry would pipe up and say something at the proposal.
    Royals back when these stories were being told often married their close relatives. That's why so many were bonkers.
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    Post on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:20 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    We already have a quotable moment with the sneak peek where Cora and Rumpel are alone with Cora in her dress:

    Cora talks about having to be snow white to wear a wedding dress and Rumpel laughs and says, "When you can see the future, there's irony in everything!" (or was it irony everywhere? whatever)


    So here's something interesting - did you notice that Leopold and Henry (Cora's Henry) know each other from way back? We see them cross paths again in The Stable Boy. Leopold is a king and Henry is a prince. I wonder what the relation is, if any. I imagine there is one, because Cora references being 5th in line to the throne.

    Think about it, though:
    Regina is (supposedly) Henry's daughter. If Henry and Leopold are brothers then when Reg marries Leopold she marries her uncle. You'd think Henry would pipe up and say something at the proposal.

    If they are cousins, then Regina would be marrying her cousin once removed. Still gross. You'd still think Henry would say something.

    Unless of course, Cora puts a stop to that.
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    Post on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:04 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    LZenOUT wrote:
    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:I can't help but think that Cora and Eva have some sort of past. It might just be a simple interaction where Cora was put down by Eva, but Cora doesn't choose victims at random and she wasn't just calculated standing over Eva's body - she was hateful.

    That speech Eva gave Snow about treating others with respect? I wonder if that was wisdom she didn't acquire until after an unfortunate mistreatment of Cora in her youth, hence Cora setting out for revenge?
    Prophetic much?

    Thanks!
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    Post on Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:54 pm by LZenOUT

    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:I can't help but think that Cora and Eva have some sort of past. It might just be a simple interaction where Cora was put down by Eva, but Cora doesn't choose victims at random and she wasn't just calculated standing over Eva's body - she was hateful.

    That speech Eva gave Snow about treating others with respect? I wonder if that was wisdom she didn't acquire until after an unfortunate mistreatment of Cora in her youth, hence Cora setting out for revenge?
    Prophetic much?
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    Post on Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:03 pm by eclectic1

    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:It's looking like I was right about Eva and Cora. It's also looking like Rumpel does die (per sneak peek 5) or at least DO but since there's no way they'll take Robert Carlysle off the show, I'm sure Snow uses the candle to save him and kill Cora... or at least saves Rumpel. I don't think Snow becomes DO

    That appears to be a theory out there...that Snow STILL has that candle and that she uses it to save Rump-thus, Cora dies. Look in yesterdays "Tweets" Wink Cool

    VCF hasn't seen Barbara around anymore...BUT, Robert is definitely around!!! Cool
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    Post on Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:56 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    It's looking like I was right about Eva and Cora. It's also looking like Rumpel does die (per sneak peek 5) or at least DO but since there's no way they'll take Robert Carlysle off the show, I'm sure Snow uses the candle to save him and kill Cora... or at least saves Rumpel. I don't think Snow becomes DO
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    Post on Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:05 pm by Ranna156

    ugh there is a third but it won't show...have to wait until someone posts it on utube!
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    Post on Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:51 am by Noortjj

    Cant wait till monday, this is going to be a great ep!

    And i read that the candle from last week will come into play this ep. I like that idea..
    Also im glad we finally get to see rumples origin story the millers daughter..

    I always liked rose in charmed so im curious to see her in a different role..
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    Post on Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:25 am by Ranna156

    Well as of right now it looks like i will be traveling to Hong Kong tomorrow...so chances are good i will miss this episode! So disappointed but calling what i said before about MM killing Cora (who is almost but not quite) the DO and saving the real DO Rumple!
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    Post on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:56 pm by Ranna156

    Pretty sure the only way to kill DO is with dagger so I don't think cora fully becomes do nor doeas snow when she kills her with the candle....
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    Post on Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:57 am by Ranna156

    I guess Snow could actually become the Dark One...but i would think it would be short lived since all that would need to happen would be TLK from Charming and then there would be no Dark One...that is something i have thought from the beginning - that eventually there would be No DO - but i don't think it would happen this soon in the series...either way the next few episodes should be really interesting!
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    Post on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:37 am by obsessedwithOUAT

    There doesn't seem to be a Canada promo this time. Bollocks!
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    Post on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:31 am by Ranna156

    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:So the other noteable thing is Henry is a prince. Prince Henry was cast so I assume that's who Cora marries/Reg's dad/whatever. I knew he wasn't a pauper but I didn't realize he was royal anyway.

    Well it will be interesting to see about the dagger. We jumped all over that one, and I HOPE it isn't a prop mistake - it's a huge one if it is so I can't help but think that's a significant thing, whatever it means. Has anyone tweeted H/K to see what they say? Even if they don't tell us, the reply would say something to us, wouldn't it?

    I didn't realize Henry was royal either...but in the original story the Millers Daughter does marry royalty...a king though i think...

    ChatOUAT just asked the question...maybe they will get a response! Fingers crossed!
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    Post on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:24 am by obsessedwithOUAT

    Ranna156 wrote:As for Cora being the Millers daughter...in the story she had to give up her first born...and in a sense she does considering Regina doesn't love her like Snow loves her mother...so maybe that is how Cora had to give her up...she had to sacrifice her love in order to try to do everything in her power to make her easily mold-able into a 'monster'...

    Oh I like that idea.
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    Post on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:23 am by obsessedwithOUAT

    So the other noteable thing is Henry is a prince. Prince Henry was cast so I assume that's who Cora marries/Reg's dad/whatever. I knew he wasn't a pauper but I didn't realize he was royal anyway.

    Well it will be interesting to see about the dagger. We jumped all over that one, and I HOPE it isn't a prop mistake - it's a huge one if it is so I can't help but think that's a significant thing, whatever it means. Has anyone tweeted H/K to see what they say? Even if they don't tell us, the reply would say something to us, wouldn't it?
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    Post on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:19 am by Ranna156

    As for Cora being the Millers daughter...in the story she had to give up her first born...and in a sense she does considering Regina doesn't love her like Snow loves her mother...so maybe that is how Cora had to give her up...she had to sacrifice her love in order to try to do everything in her power to make her easily mold-able into a 'monster'...
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    Post on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:16 am by Ranna156

    Thanks to Eclectic for this shot:



    Here is what I am thinking it means:

    1.) The name is deliberately grayed out for the promo so as not to give away any major spoilers and in the actual episode we will see somebody's name there and it won't be Rumplestiltskin. Given how small that grayed out area the only name I can think of that would fit there is 'CORA' or 'SNOW' but only Snow...if it was Snow's name i would think it would actually say Snow White...

    2.) There currently is no Dark One since Rumple is out of town.

    3.) There currently is no Dark One because when Rumple & Belle kissed in SB it broke his curse since it was TLK...

    This brings me to other thoughts concerning Gold being the DO in SB: He still has his limp and he doesn't have the same mannerisms he has when we was previously the DO. So is he even still the Dark One???? Is there currently even a Dark One??? I guess they can just say that as the Dark One Rumple wasn't 'human...or a man' so while in SB he will take on a human form and that is why he still has his limp...or maybe he is faking the limp so as not to creep everyone out...

    My guess is this...kind of what Shek was saying about it being in transition of a 'new name'...Cora goes to kill Rumple in order to become the Dark One, but before she actually becomes the DO, Snow White finds her heart and lights that candle over it murdering Cora and saving Rumple/Gold. Since it never fully transferred to Cora, Snow is saved from actually becoming the DO and it reverts back to its previous DO (Rumple) but she is still 'Dark' now that she has committed the ultimate sin of murder and now has to deal with the repercussions of something so abhorrent and heinous to her...making her Dark Snow, but not necessarily the Dark One!


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    Post on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:00 am by Ranna156

    Shekinel wrote:The dagger thing might be on purpose. Maybe tha writing is erased because someone else is becoming the dark one, and its rewriting a name. o.O. Just a guess

    Like that thought...or maybe its something else...
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    Post on Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:59 pm by Ranna156

    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:I'm freezing the promo on when Cora is holding the dagger and I'm not seeing writing on it. Anyone else getting the same?

    Eclectic posted screen captures in the Promo's/Sneak Peeks section in her spoiler area...and yes it definitely appears there is no name!
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    Post on Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:03 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    Looks like another prop error - dagger only has writing on one side. OR it's not the real dagger.

    Rumpel's bargain with Miller's Daughter was first born. What if he fathered the first born like mentioned previously OR Reg has a sibling that's older?
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    Post on Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:46 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    Shekinel wrote:The dagger thing might be on purpose. Maybe tha writing is erased because someone else is becoming the dark one, and its rewriting a name. o.O. Just a guess

    Exclamation
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    Post on Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:44 pm by Shekinel

    The dagger thing might be on purpose. Maybe tha writing is erased because someone else is becoming the dark one, and its rewriting a name. o.O. Just a guess
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    Post on Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:40 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    I can't help but think that Cora and Eva have some sort of past. It might just be a simple interaction where Cora was put down by Eva, but Cora doesn't choose victims at random and she wasn't just calculated standing over Eva's body - she was hateful.

    That speech Eva gave Snow about treating others with respect? I wonder if that was wisdom she didn't acquire until after an unfortunate mistreatment of Cora in her youth, hence Cora setting out for revenge?
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    Post on Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:32 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    I'm freezing the promo on when Cora is holding the dagger and I'm not seeing writing on it. Anyone else getting the same?

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