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    Official ABC Recap & Pre Air info:



    Our story begins as young Baelfire falls through a portal from The Enchanted Forest to Victorian London. Trapped and alone in an unknown world, he’s forced to scrounge out a life on the streets until he takes a chance to sneak into a large house to steal some bread. Inside, he meets Wendy Darling, a kind girl who agrees to hide him from her family and keep him fed. But the pair are soon caught by her parents and, rather than being cast back out into the street or sent to a workhouse, Bae is invited to stay with them. It looks like things may actually work out for the young Fairy Tale Land refugee.

    In present-day Storybrooke, Regina has been kidnapped by Greg Mendell and Tamara, with the help of Captain Hook. Greg starts to interrogate Regina about where he can find his father, and he’s not afraid to use some electroshock to help himself get some answers. Tamara, on the other hand, stays focused on their mission to destroy magic and sends information back to the “home office” about Regina’s magic beans and the mysterious black diamond they found on her. Little do they know, it’s the failsafe trigger Regina created for The Curse and it’s capable of destroying all of Storybrooke and everyone in it.

    When an Evil Queen goes missing, the town is sure to notice and Emma, Mary Margaret and David certainly have. The three of them, along with Henry, burst into Regina’s office to find it empty and her alarm overridden. They all suspect foul play, but while David and Mary Margaret think Mr. Gold must be the culprit, Emma still suspects Tamara has something to do with it. She sends her mom and dad to go have a chat with Gold while she goes back to search Tamara’s room at Granny’s. Emma finds Neal there, still unconvinced that Tamara has anything to do with this, but he is given some pause when Emma finds sand tracked in by Tamara’s running shoes since she always said she took her morning run in the woods. The pair of them head to the beach to investigate.

    Back in London, Bae has started to become a part of the family. The kids—Wendy has her two younger brothers, John and Michael, of course—all settle in for bed when Wendy tells Baelfire about the magical shadow that comes to visit them. Knowing just how bad magic can be, Bae warns them to stay away from the shadow, but Wendy just thinks he doesn’t believe her. The shadow arrives in the night and she goes with it willingly, despite Baelfire’s attempts to stop her. Dejected, he watches as she’s carried off to the second star to the right, hoping he didn’t just lose a member of his new family forever.

    In Mr. Gold’s pawnshop, David and Mary Margaret interrupt Mr. Gold and his girlfriend Lacey to ask about Regina. Gold isn’t interested in helping, but David reminds him that he owes a favor and Gold quickly whips up a way for Mary Margaret to share experiences with Regina to help find her. David and Mary Margaret try the magical solution and sure enough, MM experiences exactly what Regina is experiencing. The downside is, Regina’s being tortured at the moment. Racked with terrible pain, all that Mary Margaret is able to make out is that Regina is bound, powerless, cold and stuck somewhere that smells a bit like sardines.

    David calls Emma who’s on the beach with Neal. They’d just bumped into Tamara on her morning run and Emma was about to finally give up on her suspicion of Neal’s fiancée when she gets the call. Then she looks over to see the old Storybrooke Cannery and puts two and two together. The former lovebirds rush over to save Regina. Tamara sees them coming, warns Greg and sets out to head off Emma and Neal. Greg, feeling the pressure, asks Regina one last time where his father is. She finally admits that she killed him right after Greg ran out of town as a young boy and his remains were buried at their old campsite. Greg is furious and switches on the electrical machine to kill Regina when David arrives and puts a stop to it. Greg escapes, but Regina is saved when David and Mary Margaret rush her home and get Mother Superior (aka The Blue Fairy) to heal her.

    David calls Emma again to let her know Greg was behind Regina’s kidnapping. Neal points out that again Tamara is in the clear when suddenly Emma is knocked out from behind. Tamara pulls a gun on her fiancé and explains their whole relationship has been a lie, right before she shoots him. Ouch! Tamara’s about to finish Neal off when Emma charges her and knocks the gun away. It looks like Tamara’s about to be taken when she manages to toss a magic bean at Emma’s feet, opening up a portal to another land. Emma desperately clings to an old pipe until Neal rescues her. But as he gets her to safety, the floor beneath them buckles and suddenly it’s Neal dangling over the void. Emma holds on with all of her might, knowing that if Neal falls through to another land, his gunshot wound will most likely be the death of him. But Neal tells her he can’t risk her losing her grip and leaving their son, Henry, an orphan. The two finally admit they still love each other and Neal lets go, once again being whisked away by a magic portal, leaving Emma heartbroken.

    In London, Baelfire is happy to see that Wendy returns in the morning. But Wendy is shaken. The reason it’s called Neverland, she reveals, is because once you set foot on it, the shadow never allows you to leave. But the shadow didn’t want her, it wanted a boy, and it’ll be back that night to claim John or Michael. Bae says he won’t let that happen. He arranges some rudimentary defenses for the kids out of some household items, but the plan quickly falls apart when the shadow bursts in that night. The children head for the hidden crawlspace, but young Michael is caught out in the open. Bravely, Baelfire tells the shadow he’ll go willingly if it promises to leave the Darlings alone. The shadow must’ve agreed, because it takes him by the hand, yanking him through the air to Neverland. But as the island comes into view, Baelfire reaches into his pocket, pulls out a match and lights it. Startled, the shadow drops him in the water where he is fished out by an unlikely savior—Captain Hook.

    Returning to Storybrooke, Emma is heartbroken and has no idea how to tell Henry about his father. Regina comes around and asks what’s happening. When David and Mary Margaret fill her in, including the part where they saved her life, she reluctantly tells them her plan to use the magic beans and the failsafe device. They suddenly realize all of Storybrooke would have been destroyed, but Regina reminds them that the most important part is she no longer controls the trigger!

    And, as if on cue, Tamara finds Greg at his old campsite where he just dug up what appear to be the remains of his father, Kurt. The “home office” has told her what the black diamond is and has instructed them to “move on to the next phase.” They’re going to blow Storybrooke off the map!



    Pre-Air Info:





    Episode Press Release...thx to ABC Publicity:

    "Second Star to the Right" - Emma, Mary Margaret and David go in search of Regina when they discover that she - along with some magic beans - have gone missing. But against Neal's protests, Emma still believes that Tamara had something to do with Regina's disappearance; and Mr. Gold contemplates telling Lacey the truth about his ability to conjure magic. Meanwhile, after Rumplestiltskin abandons his son and lets him travel alone through a portal, young Bae finds himself back in 19th century London and is taken in by the Darling family -- befriending their daughter Wendy -- on "Once Upon a Time," SUNDAY, MAY 5 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

    "Once Upon a Time" stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Colin O'Donoghue as Hook, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills, Meghan Ory as Red Riding Hood/Ruby, and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.

    Guest starring are David Anders as Dr. Whale/Victor Frankenstein, Keegan Connor Tracy as Mother Superior/Blue Fairy, Michael Raymond-James as Neal Cassidy, Dylan Schmid as young Baelfire, Ethan Embry as Greg Mendell, Christopher Gauthier as Smee, Sonequa Martin-Green as Tamara, Freya Tingley as Wendy, Benjamin Cook as Michael, William Ainschough as John, Andrew Airlie as George and Karin Inghammar as Mary.

    "Second Star to the Right" was written by Andrew Chambliss & Ian Goldberg and directed by Ralph Hemecker.


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    Post Thu May 09, 2013 3:18 pm by eclectic1

    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:Hook told Belle that Rumpel's son didn't want to be found, hence supporting the idea that Bae was part of Hook's crew. Once again the writers LIE and say no one guessed it. I mean, it wasn't exactly a reach. Anyhow I wish the whole season had been like this episode and last week.

    lol!

    Ranna156

    Post Wed May 08, 2013 11:45 pm by Ranna156

    This is how they get you to stay Obsessed!
    obsessedwithOUAT

    Post Tue May 07, 2013 10:36 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    Hook told Belle that Rumpel's son didn't want to be found, hence supporting the idea that Bae was part of Hook's crew. Once again the writers LIE and say no one guessed it. I mean, it wasn't exactly a reach. Anyhow I wish the whole season had been like this episode and last week.
    Ranna156

    Post Tue May 07, 2013 8:31 pm by Ranna156

    I wasn't joking on the 'Darling Initiative'...i really think it was most likely the Darlings who fostered this 'society of believers' to destroy magic...and i just started calling it "Darling Initiative" because it kind of rhymes with Dharma Initiative (from LOST)...

    I think Hook does know that Neal is Bae...didn't he tell Rumple that maybe he didn't want to be found or something like that?

    At Playarita - I am not familiar with that series but the whole 'this world isn't meant to have magic' reminded me of the sword of truth series where Richard basically created this world to be without magic for people who didn't like or want magic or who weren't magical beings...
    obsessedwithOUAT

    Post Tue May 07, 2013 5:04 pm by obsessedwithOUAT

    Tamara also used the word "poison" for magic quite a bit. Just noting it...... interesting.
    eclectic1

    Post Tue May 07, 2013 4:08 pm by eclectic1

    obsessedwithOUAT wrote:Well, no shock on Bae being connected to Hook as crew. Surprising how it happened, though. I do wonder if somehow the Darlings do find a way to reach out across time for Bae. I know you were kidding about the "Darling" initiative, but it might be something along those lines (though I would think somehow Bae's name would be known to that group? Maybe?).

    The Shadow/NNL thing was CREEPY! Like, the NNL boys crying out was upsetting! Eeeesh I hope they get freed! Wonder if maybe the Darlings end up there eventually looking for Bae?

    Like this "Darling Initiative" deal... Wink

    What's interesting, too, obsessed is that it appears Tamara 'targeted' Bae/Neal to begin with. He asked how long she'd lied to him and she said from the 'coffee incident'. He thought it accidental and she, obviously meant to do it! It's like she KNEW who he was...and, being Bae and the "Darling Connection"...would make it VERY interesting! Like your point...they wanted to track him down again.

    I want to see Neal and Hook meet up...


    Twice they've been in the same "area" only not to 'run into each other'. Does Hook know Bae AS Neal??? Would he recognize him???!!!???? Cool
    LZenOUT

    Post Tue May 07, 2013 3:49 pm by LZenOUT

    I think the Darling Initiative is real good bet. Tamara was of the opinion that magic was 'evil', which is how Bae described it to Wendy, if I'm not mistaken.
    obsessedwithOUAT

    Post Tue May 07, 2013 12:22 am by obsessedwithOUAT

    Well, no shock on Bae being connected to Hook as crew. Surprising how it happened, though. I do wonder if somehow the Darlings do find a way to reach out across time for Bae. I know you were kidding about the "Darling" initiative, but it might be something along those lines (though I would think somehow Bae's name would be known to that group? Maybe?).

    The Shadow/NNL thing was CREEPY! Like, the NNL boys crying out was upsetting! Eeeesh I hope they get freed! Wonder if maybe the Darlings end up there eventually looking for Bae?
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    Post Mon May 06, 2013 8:16 am by rra615

    Ranna156 wrote:@rra - I am thinking the Home Office is 'teh Darling Initiative' haha...started by Wendy Darling and her brothers in the 1800's to destroy magic...haha

    good thought! i didn't even think of the group tamara and greg are with could have been started by the darlings.. it totally makes sense after last night!

    the way they portrayed NNL and PP was totally creepy, not how i thought they'd do it! makes NNL look like a scary place!
    playarita

    Post Mon May 06, 2013 4:41 am by playarita

    I was wondering about the home office but it sounds as if it has a bit of Torchwood feel to it. It seems as if there is a Van Helsing side that deals with the supernaturals (preternaturals but that's just my fangirling over the Parasol protectorate series) and those that destroy magic.

    But I can't help but believe that the "magic" being absorbed (is it actually destroyed or sent back the home office), and the artifacts is actually something that humans want to harnass (the way Torchwood keeps and uses alien weaponry and the like). Because it seems ingenious to use the hate and anger of those affected by magic and give this "mission" not knowing what it's actually about...
    Ranna156

    Post Mon May 06, 2013 12:22 am by Ranna156

    @rra - I am thinking the Home Office is 'teh Darling Initiative' haha...started by Wendy Darling and her brothers in the 1800's to destroy magic...haha
    Ranna156

    Post Fri May 03, 2013 1:22 am by Ranna156

    i just read in E's spoilers area that the producers said that their are only 3 beans left...haha...at least i got the number right!
    Ranna156

    Post Fri May 03, 2013 12:50 am by Ranna156

    rra615 wrote:i just watched the 8 min promo.. home office sounds kind of "dharma ish" no? haha

    I thought the same thing! haha

    rra615 wrote:
    i think it was the early 1900s that bae gets sent to if not the late 1800s. did it look victorian?
    I think in the book and in the Disney version it was 1920's that Wendy & PP took place...however i didn't see any cars and given the minimum age of Bae and the episode description out now i think it is probably early 19th century (early 1800's)


    rra615 wrote:so it looks like the portal actually took bae to our world and he happens to hook up with wendy. i wonder with the bean portal if theres a way you direct which world you go to, like in the hat. with hook, they went straight to NNL from the bean.
    The Blue Fairy said it would take Baelfire where he needed to go...so i assume either you can direct it or it will know what you are looking for and will take you to whatever world bets fits your description...Hook knew about NL and wanted to go there directly...


    rra615 wrote:were there only 4 beans? i thought the dwarves were trying to grow a whole crop of them.
    Actually there are only 2 left that are accounted for. I am assuming based on photos that seem to indicate at least 3 separate entries into a portal that the package Regina had on her will be able to produce a bean...or they find a bean in the crop that miraculously wasn't destroyed by Regina.


    rra615 wrote:this looks interesting though, can't wait for this episode!!
    Me either!
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    Post Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:45 am by rra615

    i just watched the 8 min promo.. home office sounds kind of "dharma ish" no? haha

    i think it was the early 1900s that bae gets sent to if not the late 1800s. did it look victorian?

    so it looks like the portal actually took bae to our world and he happens to hook up with wendy. i wonder with the bean portal if theres a way you direct which world you go to, like in the hat. with hook, they went straight to NNL from the bean.

    were there only 4 beans? i thought the dwarves were trying to grow a whole crop of them.

    this looks interesting though, can't wait for this episode!!
    Ranna156

    Post Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:49 am by Ranna156

    ok thinking that since Regina possibly had a bean on her (that package she showed Henry) that when she escapes that will be the bean Hook and 'friends' use with his ship...

    Tamara had at least 2 beans and it appears from photos that at least one of them get used when Her, Greg, & Henry all go through a portal. Thinking somehow Neal gets the second bean Tamara had and uses that one and goes to FTL...

    That covers all the beans...but i am thinking that the 'Home Office' is sent the 'trigger' and next season it will be a big thing of who they are and will they somehow manage to blow up SB. I am assuming Regina stays behind (i know she was seen on the docks but i don't think she went with them on the ship) to try and protect SB...also i guess its entirely possible she is the ONLY person who can 'pull the trigger'...

    Lastly i am thinking Regina isn't lying when she says that Greg's father did leave town. She probably had some 'safety portal' she used to ship him to another world...possibly to NL so he wouldn't age...anyway thinking that is what happened and that is why Greg & Tamara go through a portal and don't send the beans to the home office. They probably take Henry as leverage...
    Ranna156

    Post Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:30 am by Ranna156

    i agree playarita...kind of glad that Bae isn't also PP...which makes him a lost boy in my opinion as well...even if the writers said no one guessed it! Guess he could always hook up with the indians or the mermaids or become one of Hooks crew in a couple of years! Wink

    Speaking of which i guess the setting of Wendy is earlier than the 1900's since i didn't see any cars...also it wouldn't fit in with Bae's age since by the time of the curse he has to be a couple of centuries old...not under a 100...Anyone recognize what time period their costumes are from?
    eclectic1

    Post Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:16 am by eclectic1

    playarita wrote:I am glad that Bae/Neal is not Pan (or at least one of the Pans) but maybe Peter feels sorry for Bae who is essentially a lost boy. I cannot wait for the Bae/Hook confrontation

    Me, too!!! Wink

    Pretty much sealed it that Bae and Rump will still be on the "outs" with each other based on the 'extended promo'...

    AND, the fact that you can "sense" the Neal/Emma relationship being revisited/updated!!! I love you

    Bless Henry's heart!!!! Very Happy Cool
    playarita

    Post Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:05 am by playarita

    I am glad that Bae/Neal is not Pan (or at least one of the Pans) but maybe Peter feels sorry for Bae who is essentially a lost boy. I cannot wait for the Bae/Hook confrontation
    Ranna156

    Post Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:10 pm by Ranna156

    There is a 10 minute preview on abc.com of this episode!

    http://beta.abc.go.com/shows/once-upon-a-time/video/PL55126739/_m_VD55300578
    Ranna156

    Post Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:07 am by Ranna156

    perhaps when Henry gets 'forced' into a portal then Neal decides to go after him and heads to FTL thinking that is where he is?

    Then somehow (maybe through dreams) the rest of the crew find out that Henry is really in NL...but by this time someone has set fire to most of the beans or something...or maybe because its NL they all decide to use the last bean to head to NL??? to get Henry.

    Your right E...there are a lot of pieces but the how why still remain mysterious! Wink
    Shekinel

    Post Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:45 pm by Shekinel

    eclectic1 wrote:In this episode is when that major Rump/Bae confrontation will happen. Something that will affect their relationship BIG TIME!!! Thinking it's not looking good for reconciliations...Lacey may have something to do with this! I cant see Belle's memory coming back until AFTER it's too late to salvage... So Sad

    Saw set photos of 'present day' Neal in FTL w/Aurora, Prince Phillip and Mulan. Somehow he ends up there.

    Saw set photos of Henry 'jumping off a dock' w/Tamara and Greg(thinking kidnapped) also...where they end up, assuming they're jumping into a portal, who knows!

    Dont see any sign of either in set scenes on Hook's ship w/the 'Charming Family'!!!

    Definitely a puzzle here...pieces-not sure of order!!! Cool


    Hopefully is not Lacey flirting with Neal/Baelfire! hahaha
    eclectic1

    Post Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:23 pm by eclectic1

    In this episode is when that major Rump/Bae confrontation will happen. Something that will affect their relationship BIG TIME!!! Thinking it's not looking good for reconciliations...Lacey may have something to do with this! I cant see Belle's memory coming back until AFTER it's too late to salvage... So Sad

    Saw set photos of 'present day' Neal in FTL w/Aurora, Prince Phillip and Mulan. Somehow he ends up there.

    Saw set photos of Henry 'jumping off a dock' w/Tamara and Greg(thinking kidnapped) also...where they end up, assuming they're jumping into a portal, who knows!

    Dont see any sign of either in set scenes on Hook's ship w/the 'Charming Family'!!!

    Definitely a puzzle here...pieces-not sure of order!!! Cool

    Ranna156

    Post Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:47 pm by Ranna156

    The other and maybe more likely possibility is that gold actually tries to send henry through the portal and neal catches him and also jumps int oing with henry. Either way based on who we have seen on Hooks ship in spoiler photos and more importantly haven't seeen I am pretty sure neal and henry are in nl. Also some tweet from mrj said he wasn't alone so I think that was a hint too...
    Ranna156

    Post Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:54 pm by Ranna156

    ok here is my theory on how all this is going down (the trip to NL)

    Gold makes his move on Henry and Neal catches him. The beans have now grown and in either an accident or deliberate Neal takes Henry to Neverland to protect him.

    Now Emma and the Charmings want to go after Henry. Regina wants to go after him. Gold wants to go after Neal and takes Belle as well.

    Only person who has been sighted on the ship/docks is Hook so i can only assume Gold threatens him or somehow they have reached a truce...

    This would at least explain who we have and haven't seen in all those spoiler shots!
    wendydarling76

    Post Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:33 pm by wendydarling76

    Ranna156 wrote:Have to agree WENDYDARLING! (even if it wasn't obvious that PP is one of your favs!) Wink

    Thinking in the offchance that Bae/Neal isn't Peter Pan as well then Peter is the one we will hear about but not see until next season!

    I sure hope so!!

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