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    New York City Serenade

    Post by eclectic1

    *Promo Episode photos/thx to ABC Publicity

    *Press Release/Thx to ABC Publicity

    Rebecca Mader Guest Stars as the Wicked Witch of the West
    “New York City Serenade” – After Rumplestiltskin sacrificed his life to stop Pan from enacting another curse, Regina obliterated her original curse, which erased Storybrooke from existence and whisked its residents back to Fairy Tale Land – leaving Emma and Henry back in our world with no memories of Storybrooke. But all is not well back in the Enchanted Forest when Hook comes calling on Emma in New York City in an attempt to jog her memory so that she can once again help her fairy tale family and friends out of a desperate situation, on the midseason return of “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, MARCH 9 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
    “Once Upon a Time” stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as the Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook, Michael Raymond-James as Baelfire/Neal Cassidy, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.
    Guest starring are Lee Arenberg as Leroy/Grumpy, Beverley Elliott as Granny, Sarah Bolger as Aurora, Rebecca Mader as the Wicked Witch of the West, David-Paul Grove as Doc, Gabe Khouth as Mr. Clark/Sneezy, Faustino Di Bauda as Sleepy, Jeffrey Kaiser as Dopey, Michael Coleman as Happy, Mig Macario as Bashful, Julian Morris as Prince Phillip, Christopher Gorham as Walsh, Sean Maguire as Robin Hood, Michael P. Northey as Friar Tuck, Jason Burkhart as Little John and David Orth as NY cop #1.
    ”New York City Serenade” was written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz and directed by Billy Gierhart.

    *Written by Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis

    ****AND, its…"not what we think"!!!! Cool Cool

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    Post on Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:20 am by Ranna156

    Ok so i got stills of the majority of the scenes of the promo. here they are (with a couple of repeats from eclectic and rra165) and my thoughts concerning them:

    2nd half of Season 3 Promo stills:

    Beach shot where you see the dwarves, Regina, Charmings, Belle in her gold dress, Granny, and Neal in FTL garb. Regina and Charming appear to have been put back into the clothes they were wearing when The Curse hit and so do some of the dwarves. Snow says something like 'we're back'.

    The above two photos show the Rumbelle Reunion. Interesting to note that it looks like they are on Hook's ship. Belle is in modern day clothes and Rumple is wearing the garb he wore in Neverland.

    So below in a different post i said i thought he got poofed to possibly Oz...I don't think that anymore. I think most likely he went to the 'Netherworld' or where ever it was that Phillip went and those in the sleeping curse went to. I think that scenario the most likely because they could then show how Rumple (or Phillip) escapes/lives without having to show both. I could also see how if Pan also ends up in this place maybe he can redeem himself by helping Rumple to 'escape'...

    At first I thought this was the mayors office because of the wall paper. Not so sure any more resembles a house i think. Anyway Emma is in the shot and there are a bunch of apples on the table. It also looks like there is some sort of chemistry set so i am wondering if they or maybe just Regina are trying to create some sort of magic...which also indicates that there is magic to be made in this New Storybrooke...or maybe not and they are trying to create some...who knows...interesting scene at least. Regina seems to get upset/frustrated about something and throws a dart. Or maybe she is trying to jog Emma's memory and pulls a Graham moment when the magic potion won't work...IDK...

    Appears to be the dream catcher in Neals NYC apartment. Is this a device Hook uses to prove to Emma he knows Neal and convince her to go to Storybrooke? Thats my guess...

    Regina, Charming, Neal and a small army appear to be on some sort of mission together...

    Belle in modern clothes asking Emma if she knows who cursed them. It looks like they could be in the town hall in Storybrooke.

    Regina and Snow are looking at something that appears to be in the air in shock and bewilderment...flying monkeys or a green witch flying on a broom are my top two guesses...

    Hook in New York in his pirate getup trying to convince Emma that her parents are in danger.

    Looks like WWotW has taken over Regina's castle.

    One of the most interesting shots in my opinion. Whale is obviously back in SB (and not the black & white whoever casts the New Curse also brings him back again) and there is a male hurt. Robin Hood is there looking concerned and sexy in modern day clothes and Hook is also there looking concerned in his pirate garb. It appears to me that whoever is hurt is a friend to both of them so I am guessing Neal. I guess it could also be RH's son but that doesn't explain why Hook would be there...unless he just happened to be present when whatever happened happened. I also venture that Hook somehow managed to escape the New Curse again for some reason based on his clothing, but he some how manages to get to SB. I wonder if he went on a rescue mission somewhere and got Rump/Gold since they are the only two who don't seem to be in modern day clothes in the New Storybrooke...

    So is this some sort of potion the green witch is creating using her own blood? Is this what starts the New Curse?

    Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is still alive!


    Post on Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:28 pm by eclectic1

    Thx for sharing that Examiner article, Ranna…

    I'll post in the "News/Spoiler" area as well.  I can see Theodora now more than Elphaba, based on their breakdown of both.  Wink  Very Happy

    Post on Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:03 pm by Ranna156

    i wonder how that apartment with the dream catcher is still around...Did Neal have that much cash on him/in his bank account if rent/mortgage was coming directly out. Or did he just pay up for an entire year plus?

    Oh and for the name here is a link where it talks about the name Disney chose for her - Theodora and the popular Wicked name - Elphaba. Either way i am excited to see just how bad WWotW is!

    Post on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:23 pm by eclectic1

    Ok…that screenshot I just posted leads to some more questions!  That dreamcatcher was in Neal's apartment IN NY initially.  Does that apartment still exist decked out how Neal had it?!?

    In "Manhattan" - this shot is almost a 'deja vu' of what happened in Neal's apartment with her noticing it!!!  Neutral 

    Will it jog memories?  Where is she? What leads her to that place?

    Aha!!!! Clarification thanks to Jennifer herself…  Wink  Cool 

    So, "Tallahassee" took place…Emma STILL knows who Neal is…thus, the deja vu with the dream catcher!!! Wonder if the reaction upon their meeting this time will be different…

    That also still seems to point to the fact that the apartment is Neal's…but, Neal being Bae and seeing him in FTL(or supposedly FTL)w the rest of the gang in that scene w/Snow leads to the question of just how much of Bae's/Neal's life was affected after the point of Henry's Birth??? This had to be after the meeting of Neal and August where the VW and cash are exchanged. 

    Oh…and I think I heard/read August may make another appearance?!?!

    Hmmmm…  Cool  Cool  Cool

    Post on Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:35 pm by Ranna156

    That doesn't surprise me about the name. Wicked isn't one of original Oz books and it wasn't written by Frank L Baum - all of his books are public domain - so I guess they can name her whatever they want to...other than Elphaba or whatever it is. It will be interesting to see how they portray her. I never read any of the books...but it seems to me that the writers can pretty much make up any story they want about her since she 'died' in the first original least she did in the movie...

    Post on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:44 pm by rra615

    ok thanks for the clearing up. She probably has. So that means she would recognize Neal but only as Neal, the guy who ditched her and left her for jail not as Baelfire. 

    Also, I read on one of the articles that they can't use Elphaba because Disney doesn't own the rights to Wicked..I think Matt Mitovich (sp) even changed it on his article.. but I could be wrong!!

    Post on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:35 pm by Ranna156

    I assume she still remembers e erything the way it was until she gives birth to Henry and decides to hold him. As for the apartment...I think that is just to show she has done ok for the past year...

    Post on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:13 pm by rra615

    so I have this question and it's bothering me. Hopefully one of you can help!:

    When Regina changed Emma's memories, does she still know who Neal is, did she still go to jail, and did everything before Henry was born happen? Does she still go to jail for stealing the watches, because I didn't think it was realistic for an ex con to be living in New York and in such a nice apartment haha I'd also like to see part of her "cursed" life flashbacks and especially what happened in the last year since it says one year later

    Post on Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:32 am by Ranna156

    so i notice that Regina is in the mayors office in the SB scenes of the does that mean she cast the New Curse? It also appears that the people of SB know they are cursed and the shot of the 'reunion' with Belle & Rumple i am wondering if they all remember who they are...

    I am also thinking that the Charmings aren't in SB with the new curse...thinking they might be in Oz by the end of the 'lost year'...

    ugh...can't wait until march to find out what happened!

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:05 pm by Ranna156

    ok actually i think maybe Rumple was trying to get the Ruby Slippers but Jeff couldn't find them...they had already been taken to a land without magic. Either way I still think the WW is the reason Rumple and company got poofed to somewhere and maybe she either thinks he has them or thinks he can get them for her. I still think at some point we will see Emma wearing them and clicking her heels and saying there is no place like home...

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:32 pm by Ranna156

    I think you are right eclectic about it being more than one episode...I wonder if it is Neal on the stretcher. Its definitely a male and both Hook and RH are I think it is either RH's son or NEal...with Neal being the more likely person that would tie both Hook and RH together. Also yes...that was another screen shot that was definitely interesting!

    Here is my theory for the second half so far:

    Ok first off Rumple and daddy 'poofed' so no way are they dead. I doubt they will
    bring back the actor who plays the grown up daddi-o very much so i am going to say
    somehow they bring back the boy who plays Peter Pan...Maybe he gets a second
    chance or something and can go back to being a boy but will then grow old...

    As to where they poofed to...I am thinking possibly OZ...I would need to verify
    unless someone here can confirm this - Rumple has the Ruby Slippers - I thought
    Jeff mentioned something about them in Season 2. And who wants those slippers???
    Thats right the WWotW. So miraculously she poofs them to OZ to demand Rumple gives
    them back to her just in the nick of time before they are both killed. Remember if
    Pan dies so should the Curse...which that didn't happen...

    But low and behold Regina stops Pan's Curse and Storybrooke goes Up in Smoke (wonder if we will see any Cheech)
    and so Rumple says perhaps they are back in the EF. So the WWotW journeys there
    and takes up residence in the EQ castle. While looking for the slippers she
    apparently wreaks havoc on everyone and also Regina makes her way to RUmple's old
    homestead where she finally meets RH.

    Perhaps the slippers aren't there though either so at some point a new curse needs
    to be cast to bring back SB so that the slippers can be found. Since its a new curse perhaps the memories won't be
    stolen again...not really sure on this. You see a reunion with Belle coming off
    a ship in modern clothes and it looks like she is reuniting with Rumple. Hook in
    every scene is wearing his old garb so i am going to assume he again doesn't get
    affected by the New Curse and that is why he is able to go to New York...

    It will be interesting for sure to see how this plays out...and how close I am on
    things i am calling out...the flashbacks of course will be the past year and what was happening
    in the EF before this New Curse came along.

    Also if anyone has seen Wicked you know that the WWotW isn't really bad and that Glenda is
    actually kind of a bitch. I also think somehow Emma is going to have to have a Dorothy moment
    and click her heels 3 times while wearing those slippers...Smile

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:24 pm by eclectic1

    Ok…that screenshot I just posted leads to some more questions!  That dreamcatcher was in Neal's apartment IN NY initially.  Does that apartment still exist decked out how Neal had it?!?

    In "Manhattan" - this shot is almost a 'deja vu' of what happened in Neal's apartment with her noticing it!!!  Neutral 

    Will it jog memories?  Where is she? What leads her to that place?

    Ugh!!!!  Shocked  Cool

    Overall, I'm thinking this promo is comprised of scenes from more than one episode…i.e. not just "New York City Serenade"!  These writers do this now and then...

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:16 pm by eclectic1

    It's really interesting that Hook was the one to show up and not Neal. I'd like it to have been Neal

    I agree!!! As Ranna points out…I see Neal/Bae in brown FTL garb when I freeze the frame in the promo when Snow points out they're back.  

    The only thing I can think of is something happens to Neal…he's captured/trapped.

    This shot, though, gives me hope!!!  Very Happy 


    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:10 pm by Ranna156

    rra - thanks...i keep watching and pausing...there is a scene where Regina is in the mayors office and it looks like Emma is sitting at the desk and Regina throws a dart. Another VERY interesting scene of note is the hospital scene with Whale saying "What did this to him" and if you pause it you can see in the background Hook in his ever present FTL garb (apparently he never changes clothes...hopefully he at least showers occasionally) and guess who else....drum roll...ROBIN HOOD in a modern day leather jacket! Definitely a new curse and Storybrooke lives! LOL...need to write up my theory on how things play be posted soon!

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:21 pm by rra615

    I attempted at hosting a screen shot i took from the promo on this page. it isn't that good of quality but it definitely looks like belle is talking in a town hall and it looks like emma is there, she's in the shot immediately before


    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:08 pm by Ranna156

    i am thinking either Belle somehow gets back to our world and is in modern day clothes asking Emma if she knows about Pan and the curse...OR yet ANOTHER curse gets cast and storybrooke comes back only this time it only has some of the people in it and others are still in the enchanted forest...i don't know lol but that promo is really interesting.

    Eclectic i know sometimes you can get frame by frame shots...maybe if you have time and the inclination you can do that for us! Wink

    i almost wonder by the way Belle said that if it isn't the Charmings who cast another curse to protect everyone in the enchanted forest for some reason...

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:01 pm by Ranna156

    Although you do see Belle on the beach in the promo you also see her later on in the promo in modern day clothes asking 'do you know who cursed us' and she looks like she is in a town hall or something...

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:18 am by Ranna156

    Ranna156 wrote:or maybe some are in SB and some go back to the enchanted forest... can see in the promo that snow charming hook neal granny regina dwarves etc are all in i guess the sb shots are possibly flashbacks...frankenstein must go back to his world and wendy and bro's i guess go to England...

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:39 am by Ranna156

    or maybe some are in SB and some go back to the enchanted forest...

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:37 am by Ranna156

    but then someone also asks if they know who cursed maybe they all just have new memories?

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:36 am by Ranna156

    so in the preview it looks like Storybrooke is still there...the guy even says something about invading SB...????

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:35 am by rra615

    It's really interesting that Hook was the one to show up and not Neal. I'd like it to have been Neal

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:33 am by Ranna156

    i think that is what Regina did...she stopped it so i think the rest of them retain their memories...she just couldn't do it for Emma and she gave them new ones...

    Post on Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:15 am by Ranna156

    i agree and like both your thoughts...i do think there was a key sentence Neal said...This isn't over yet...i will see you again.

    I believe that will definitely happen...i think they had too many places and this is the way to get them all back to FTL and together again...

    Post on Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:55 pm by eclectic1


    I do think for sure we'll hear how Prince Phillip 'came back to life' from the wraith…think Adam and Eddy hinted that.  Good points on the other characters.

    I HAVE to believe Rumplestiltskin will be 'back' as he created that initial curse and somehow will not have 'died' due to his selfless act with Pan.  We know he'll be in episodes next year for S3 continuing…maybe it will be like the Blue Fairy's 'undeath' thx to Tinkerbell.  It's scary, the more I think about this episode tonight and that promo for the next one…the more confused I'm getting.

    It all centers around the memory retention…we know Emma and Henry don't remember…we do NOT know who or how much memory retention the others will have back in FTL.

    It will definitely give us interesting things to write about going to March 2014!!!  Wink  Cool

    …oh, and I feel the same way about Neal, Emma and Henry reuniting again!!! We KNOW there's a connection between them-Neal/Emma…it took both of them to have the "Truest Believer" in Henry(who just may also have magic capabilities we do not know about yet)  
    Neal & Emma have TRUE LOVE for each other…they found each other before and will find each other AGAIN!!!  I love you  Very Happy 

    I believe...

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